[Owen]

A mother who allowed her 13-year-old daughter to drive her car has been banned from driving for 12 months following a crash in a Swansea car park. She was also fined £300 and ordered to pay £85 costs. The mother, who cannot be identified, also admitted using the car with the wrong type of insurance cover.

The court heard that the mother told police she didn't realise that a car park was a public place. She said she was teaching her daughter to drive.

Nobody was seriously injured in the crash, although one of the passengers suffered black eyes. At the time of the incident the five seater passenger car had eight passengers inside, six of those being teenagers.

Prosecuting solicitor Julie Sullivan said: “The mother was sitting on a 14-year-old's lap when her daughter lost control of the car and struck a bin before colliding with a building. She tried to activate the handbrake but was unable to prevent the collision.â€

What do you think of this incident?
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[Rolebama]

It always seems a bit of a cop-out to me when I read stories like this. I don't see why she should have been prosecuted for driving offence(s) when she clearly was not driving the vehicle. Is it because it is less work than prosecuting for criminal activity? On these grounds I do not think a driving ban was suitable punishment. As to the fine, I do not think it was enough to deter others from the same stupidity. Over the years I have heard of a number of incidents involving children driving cars, and it is time a suitable offence and punishment were set for those adults who allow this.

[wagolynn]

I agree Rolebama; in a public place, it is irresponsible a life time’s ban would have been more appropriate. Perhaps a trial for attempted murder would have been appropriate, I do not care if she was found guilty or not but the question should have been asked as a deterrent.

[Snowball]

Originally Posted by Owen

A mother who allowed her 13-year-old daughter to drive her car has been banned from driving for 12 months following a crash in a Swansea car park. She was also fined £300 and ordered to pay £85 costs. The mother, who cannot be identified, also admitted using the car with the wrong type of insurance cover.

The court heard that the mother told police she didn't realise that a car park was a public place. She said she was teaching her daughter to drive.
Nobody was seriously injured in the crash, although one of the passengers suffered black eyes. At the time of the incident the five seater passenger car had eight passengers inside, six of those being teenagers.

Prosecuting solicitor Julie Sullivan said: “The mother was sitting on a 14-year-old's lap when her daughter lost control of the car and struck a bin before colliding with a building. She tried to activate the handbrake but was unable to prevent the collision.â€

What do you think of this incident?
You can read the full story here: http://yhoo.it/kr4hKv

It was absolutely right that she should be banned. When someone is learning to drive, the one doing the teaching is responsible too. And she obviously had no proper control of the vehicle. As the incident is described, a lifetime ban would not be OTT.
This is the behaviour of a driver a few cards short of a pack.

[MrDanno]

I've heard alot of these and most often they are foreign drivers, I'd guess that the mother probably only has a provisional at best and has told her insurance she holds a full licence.

A similar thing happened to my mothers car while parked in a car park and the driver who hit it didn't have a licence.

[tommytwotanks]

rds radio traffic news kicked in on the way home tonight, M4 south wales, someone going the wrong way :confused: it seems to be happening more and more :confused:

[tommytwotanks]

Originally Posted by MrDanno

I've heard alot of these and most often they are foreign drivers, I'd guess that the mother probably only has a provisional at best and has told her insurance she holds a full licence.

A similar thing happened to my mothers car while parked in a car park and the driver who hit it didn't have a licence.

i thought that they might have been able to check automatically your license for points and whatever, if not it's only a matter of time

[MrDanno]

Originally Posted by tommytwotanks

i thought that they might have been able to check automatically your license for points and whatever, if not it's only a matter of time

Amazingly even with ANPR there are still people slipping through the net. Alot just buy a car and start driving, Often they will TAX, MOT and insure it (telling the insurance they have a full UK licence) and then the ANPR see's them as being all legal and above board.

[Andy2009]

I was thinking - hoping rather - that banned referred to her parenthood. Alas not. Seems the gene pool in a couple of generations will be filled with people who can only count to 13 before they run out of toes.

[Snowball]

Originally Posted by MrDanno

Amazingly even with ANPR there are still people slipping through the net. Alot just buy a car and start driving, Often they will TAX, MOT and insure it (telling the insurance they have a full UK licence) and then the ANPR see's them as being all legal and above board.

We often see a road tax spotter vehicle parked on our main relief road. There is never a police vehicle further up the road to stop any 'rogue' vehicles. A couple of miles further on are junctions for the M1, M69 and main Coventry road. So any vehicle with no legitimately recorded owner can soon disappear among a variety of roads.
OK, they may catch the odd driver who has foolishly allowed his/her tax/MoT to expire, but what about the really dangerous ones; the deliberately illegal drivers?

[tommytwotanks]

Originally Posted by Snowball

We often see a road tax spotter vehicle parked on our main relief road. There is never a police vehicle further up the road to stop any 'rogue' vehicles. A couple of miles further on are junctions for the M1, M69 and main Coventry road. So any vehicle with no legitimately recorded owner can soon disappear among a variety of roads.
OK, they may catch the odd driver who has foolishly allowed his/her tax/MoT to expire, but what about the really dangerous ones; the deliberately illegal drivers?

i was under the impression that when a ANPR camera checks your vehicle details, it also checks if the registered keeper has a full/provisional or no license, you might get away with something if the car you are driving is not yours, but is legal for the registered keeper, only when the driver gets pulled over for speeding or something minor, only then will they get caught

[Snowball]

Originally Posted by tommytwotanks

i was under the impression that when a ANPR camera checks your vehicle details, it also checks if the registered keeper has a full/provisional or no license, you might get away with something if the car you are driving is not yours, but is legal for the registered keeper, only when the driver gets pulled over for speeding or something minor, only then will they get caught

So, does that mean these cars parked at the roadside with a camera (or whatever) mounted on a tripod are only to check that known registered vehicles are fully legal; and the opportunities of using a police vehicle further down the road to catch illegal drivers/vehicles are completely ignored?

[tommytwotanks]

going on what ive seen on "motorway cops" if the car is legal, but it looks like a shed, you will probably get pulled, if your driving manor is a bit suspect, you might get pulled, if someone in the car is not wearing a seat belt, using a phone, or when they stop you and they can smell cannabis inside your car or on you, basically anything, once stopped they will ask you to prove who you are with id, if you don't have any id, they will use an electronic device to take your finger print, if you have had your finger print taking in the past they will know who you are, if you or they cant prove who you are you will be taken to a police station until they can prove who you are

so basically a police state

[Rolebama]

As I believe I stated on another thread, I now get stopped quite often due to DVLA making a pig's ear of my name on my Driving Licence. So when an ANPR check is done, it shows me as the owner and insured to drive, but having no Licence. Now, I know to ask for a PNC check, as this allows for mis-spellings, and I always come up as OK. I reckon the longest I have been delayed is around ten minutes, but now I can be away in as little as two minutes, depending on the PC who stops me. Never had to go to a Station to sort it out.

[tommytwotanks]

i dont know what the rules/law is for foreign registered vehicles, but on "motorway cops" it seems nearly all eastern european registered vehicles stopped, seem to be illegal for some reason, either no license, no insurance, no mot, drugs found, arrest warrants , counterfeit credit cards

because they know, if they get caught they can skip the country before going to court, i dont know why they cant check legal requirements before they leave the ports

[smudger]

Quote.."but on "motorway cops" it seems nearly all eastern european registered vehicles stopped, seem to be illegal for some reason, either no license, no insurance, no mot, drugs found, arrest warrants , counterfeit credit cards

because they know, if they get caught they can skip the country before going to court,"

Aye! and its not just driving offences they seem to get away with, its like there is one rule for us and another for them:mad:

[wagolynn]

Originally Posted by tommytwotanks

i dont know what the rules/law is for foreign registered vehicles, but on "motorway cops" it seems nearly all eastern european registered vehicles stopped, seem to be illegal for some reason, either no license, no insurance, no mot, drugs found, arrest warrants , counterfeit credit cards

because they know, if they get caught they can skip the country before going to court, i dont know why they cant check legal requirements before they leave the ports

Or it could just mean they do not know that they have the right to say no to the screening of the video.

[Snowball]

Originally Posted by tommytwotanks

i dont know what the rules/law is for foreign registered vehicles, but on "motorway cops" it seems nearly all eastern european registered vehicles stopped, seem to be illegal for some reason, either no license, no insurance, no mot, drugs found, arrest warrants , counterfeit credit cards

because they know, if they get caught they can skip the country before going to court, i dont know why they cant check legal requirements before they leave the ports

I fully agree with you; the vehicle documentation could easily be verified at the same time as the passport check, and action taken accordingly.
But let's look at reality and take the cynical view. Why bother, when letting them through can leave the entering country with the problem of dealing with it?

[DaveMag]

Hello, I am new to this forum!
I agree 100% with this. Mother should never let her 13yrs old son/daughter to drive (in a public place), and she is responsible for it... 8 passangers, eh. People are so stupid and have no imagination..