[Contax]

Just working my way round my new bipper tepee outdoor 1.4 HDi 70, I like to try and understand as much as I can about the car I have, I understand the air con has a pollen filter but it's better than me at playing hide and seek, anyone ever changed one on a bipper if so where is it?
Other thing is how do get to the front flasher bulb do I have to unmount headlight unit as tried every way and can't reach it, I have got clumsy hands though.

[WRX._.GTi]

Er ... What 'make' of car are we talking of here?

[WRX._.GTi]

Oops silly me ... ...they are PSA group :o

...Pollen Filter is below dash/ reach under Glovebox, rectangular in shape.

[Contax]

Thanks WRX. .GTi, I will try looking under glove box when I feel a bit better, it was so easy to find on 206SW I had before.

[Contax]

Looked under glove box and remmoved a plastic cover held on with 2 push in plastic like screws, can't find anything except cable connectors hanging and a flimsy plastic pipe with slots in bottom, looks like heater blows through there as the cover has cut outs in same place, it comes from centre of car under dash I think, do all air con models have the pollen filter?

[MrDanno]

You have to remove the whole of the Glovebox (8 screws) and the filter is behind a rectangular cover that is near the top rear of where the glove box was.

[Contax]

Thanks MrDanno, that is why I could not find it, I will have to leave it untill I have chance to investigate further but at least I now know where to look.

[captain nemo]

Hi Contax - did you find filter okay? I have similar nemo and eventually found pollen filter,. You do not need to remove glove box!

[Contax]

Hi captain nemo, I had a look but not done it yet as been ill a lot, how did you do it?. It is due for first service at dealers Feb 2013 but way things are going it will not have done more than 2K miles and they insist it has to be changed also brake fluid change to comply with warranty, I want to mark filter with marker pen and request old part left with vehicle for me to see, polen filter on 206 was changed at 24K miles (6 years) and still not bad.
I am still trying to find out how to change front flasher bulbs if they go, I have undone 2 bolts on top securing headlight and it eased up a little but still can't reach the bulb holder, hope it's not a bumper off job.
Most of my use is 5 or 10 mile each way to go to shops and had a lot of problems with Check Engine warning comming on, I collected it with 30 miles on clock drove it home 130 miles on motorway, 4 days later went 5 miles to shops, when I started it to come home Check Engine warning came on, it has come on and gone off several times and it's only done 982 miles in 15 months, I will have to get it booked in at dealers when I can for a diagnostics check, they said wait until sensors have had time to bed in.
Other than the sloppy fitting of cigarette lighter plugs in accessory socket and the Engine Check light problem I really like the car, great driving position and easy to get in and out with my osteoarthritis, I call it my little dodgem car as it's fun to drive, reason for buying it was to get mobility scooter in with widest back seat removed.
I found out about the horrible new Fiat engine so hunted down this 1.4 HDi, Peugeot UK found it in Inverness, I wanted silver but if I would accept red metalic they would instruct Perry's in Blackburn to go fetch it, it took 2 trips as snowed in first attempt, when I collected in they offered me a refund if I didn't like it as they has lost money on it.

[captain nemo]

Hi Contax - I agree the bipper / nemo is a great car. I have had my nemo Nemo for a couple of months now and it is great fun - not fast but nippy and very cute. Like you I bought the 1.4 Hdi as I understand the Fiat 1.3 unit has had some bad problems, like cam shafts snapping. Fiat had to stop production of this engine until they found problem. Also it had the particulate filter - very expensive when it goes wrong

Anyway, the pollen filter. This is accessed from the passenger footwell. Best to put down some old blankets etc on floor and footwell as you need to get right under the glovebox to do job.

You noticed, under glovebox a panel held on by two large plastic pop rivets ( mine are white ). Yes, remove these and take out panel.
Next, you will see at the front bottom of the centre console a separate moulded panel. This needs to be removed. Work your fingers under the panel at the rear of it and a couple of press fit studs will release allowing you to pull that panel rearwards and releasing it from the forward slot position.

With these two panels out, look under glove box and closer to the centrally mounted heating system. You will see a vertical black plastic cover, about 5 cm wide and 20 cm high, this covers the filter. Just pull at bottom of this panel and it easily detaches from filter housing

The filter can be easily pulled out.

Replacing is a little more tricky, and involves feeding top and bottom of filter in turn slowly back into housing. On second attempt I found it quite easy, Got the knack.

Then replace filter cover and reverse fit the two panels. I found the glovebox did not need removing.

I looked at removing the glove box, but it seemed a big job ( lots of different pieces to remove ) and it looked like it would not give me much increased space.

I have covered just over 2k in my Nemo and it has averaged just under 60mpg, I even got an average 72 mpg on one long motorway journey. This cute little Nemo has saved me a fortune in fuel costs.

I will have a look at the location of the front flasher bulbs and get back to you. Nemo :-)

[Contax]

Hi captain nemo, I did remove the first strip with 2 plastic rivets but will have to get in into rear drive so I can open doors wide (narrow gate to rear onlt 1" to spare) but I will have to get my head further under but thanks for the great explanation. I don't get the mpg you do, if I drive really gently I managed 46mpg when I filled up but computer showed 43mpg, driving like that I think causes the Check Engine light to come on more often, I thought it was soot building up in CAT. I had this problem with 206SW 1.4HDi at 6 year old MOT, MOT guy said drive it harderand give it a run, next MOT it was all cleared, cleanest test from new, it was 53 plate just before EOBD came in with Check Engine light. This tells me there could be a fault causing it to be running to rich so certainly needs diagnostics. I get 40mpg when I give it a bit of boot to keep CAT clear, I'm glad you mentioned your mpg, 2 tests I read gave 40.7mpg arround town delivering with the van and the other test tested for a week with a variety of motorway and town work and they gat 47mpg so I accepted it as it is a bit heavy and high so catches wind.

[MrDanno]

Originally Posted by captain nemo

Anyway, the pollen filter. This is accessed from the passenger footwell. Best to put down some old blankets etc on floor and footwell as you need to get right under the glovebox to do job.

You noticed, under glovebox a panel held on by two large plastic pop rivets ( mine are white ). Yes, remove these and take out panel.
Next, you will see at the front bottom of the centre console a separate moulded panel. This needs to be removed. Work your fingers under the panel at the rear of it and a couple of press fit studs will release allowing you to pull that panel rearwards and releasing it from the forward slot position.

With these two panels out, look under glove box and closer to the centrally mounted heating system. You will see a vertical black plastic cover, about 5 cm wide and 20 cm high, this covers the filter. Just pull at bottom of this panel and it easily detaches from filter housing

The filter can be easily pulled out.

Replacing is a little more tricky, and involves feeding top and bottom of filter in turn slowly back into housing. On second attempt I found it quite easy, Got the knack.

Then replace filter cover and reverse fit the two panels. I found the glovebox did not need removing.

While it can be done like that, It is Much easier to take the glove box out.

I looked at removing the glove box, but it seemed a big job ( lots of different pieces to remove ) and it looked like it would not give me much increased space.

It is just 8 screws. 4 at the top and 4 at the bottom. Then the whole glovebox unit comes out as one piece. Much easier than fiddling around from in the footwell.

[Contax]

Hi MrDanno, I feel that is the best option for me as due to my size and arthritis if I get laid with my head under dash I may not be able to get back up, that way it should be easier to see the other option, I did remove first cover with 2 studs but could not see any further.

[captain nemo]

Hi Contax - I've now had chance to look at front flasher location. Not good I'm afraid. I did just manage to get my hand in behind socket holding flasher bulb and twist it out - not easy thou.
I must assume garages either have a tool to assist in this operation or get the apprentice with the small hands to do it. People with big hands or not very dextrous have no chance.

Like you I undid the two obvious bolts hoding whole headlight on thinking this would mean I could lift unit out. No chance, there is a third bolt only accessible when the front bumber is removed that realeases unit ( citroen could have made this setup so much better ).

Then I thought, if I remove the wheel arch lining that should give me enough access to the flasher bulb ( ie from behind ), or even access to that third bolt holding the whole unit - no chance. There was always something else in the way.

So it looks like, either you have small hands / dextrous and can just about twist flasher bulb, or its remove bumper ( 1 hour minimum I reckon plus lots of swearing ) or get somebody else to do it!

Its such a pity Citroen ( peugeot or fiat ) did not put the third headlight bolt in a more accessible place then removing headlight would have been a doddle, also making working on certain parts of the engine bay ( timing belt & fusebox ) a delight.

If I ever need to remove the bumper I will see if I cannot re-engineer this third bolt assembly to do just that.


Cheers for now Captain Nemo.

[Contax]

Hi Captain Nemo, That was my worst fear as I have read some other Peugeot/Citroen require bumper removed to replace headlight bulb, said dealers charge 1 hour labour + bulb as they have it easy raised on a ramp, the main fuse box behind N/S headlamp is a pig also, unclipped some of cables and washer pipe from clips, remove 2 headlamp bolts, lift headlamp a bit then fuse box cover can be riggled out. It's going same way with many cars just make work for dealers, it also said Clio Sport needs conecting to computer to activate new headlamp bulb and I think it was a Swedish car that needs connecting to computer to change battery.
I changed plug on Peugeot tyre pump to a normal cigarette lighter plug as original only fits PSA accessoty socket, now it will fit any car and I made a fused lead with 2 battery clips and a standard cigarette lighter socket, if pumping up R/N/S tyre with pump in accessorry socket ign key has to be in on possition, car jacker could jump in car and drive away as can't be easily seen, stupid design, would insurance avoid paying out. I bought the spare wheel and keep in boot as winch fitting to store wheel under rear is nearly £300 and a lot of vans have had cable cut and wheel stolen in dealers compounds, it's costly as have to replace winch kit and new spare wheel.
Thanks for the effort you put into working out flasher bulb problem. If one goes will have to call peugeot assistance/AA to come out and change it, I paid extra £20 first year to increase peugeot assistance to include full AA cover as some things are not covered, renewal is £85 a year.

[captain nemo]

Hi Contax - I agree with your sentiments. I'm from an electronics/ engineering background and I despair at the way some car components are designed and installed in cars today. Its almost like the designer thinks " how can I make this as awkward as possible to get at without actually making totally impossible" So often I look at an item on a car and its obvious a slight modification to the design would make repairs a doodle. Perhaps manufactures don't want to make it easy for Joe public, but I know a few mechanics who also can't believe how some cars are designed. Still, from there point of view more time taken in repairing means more income!

The Nemo / Bipper from my experience has probably got the best access to components under the bonnet of most modern cars.

Can you let me know what the outcome of your engine management light issue was, and if the garage ever found out what was causing it.

PS . I had a look at how the spare wheel was secured. It would be quite difficult to cut through cables without car up on ramp. Yes, if somebody has got quite a bit of time it would be possible to do with car on ground, but in a public car park etc very difficult. Not really wortbn it for a steel wheel, especially if its got a 80% worn tyre on it.

[Contax]

Hi Captain Nemo, I will certainly let you know what results are when I get it checked, I did go in with it back end of last year but was to ill, it has just been parked up for 6 weeks as to ill to go out, just made 2 short trips but no light come on, when I took it in last time it was on when I got to garage, came out started it and never came back on until about 2 months ago. I bought the Lexia 3/PP2000/S.1279 diagnostics kit but had problem getting installation code to work so it went in a box with laptop as it drove me mad, I keep looking at handheld scanners but 2 sellers said may not work but it says Peugeot on it's list, I might just take a gamble and hope one works, I know they will only check Engine light causes unlike the Lexia that does everything.
The spare wheels they were pinching were new vans in compound, they is also a lot of Cataliser thefts, 6 went in one night off new merc vans and others gone from cars outside homes, I don't think they would get to ours as others were ones inline on exhaust, just cut through exhaust, one firm with big van had hole drilled in diesel tank and diesel stolen, got new tank fitted and they did it again, it is easier to get under back of ours compared to car as higher floor but hope they don't try it. I am near Scunthorpe but it has also been in papers 6 Cats removed from various areas in one night where my sister lives in Buckinghamshire.

[captain nemo]

Hi Contax - I am considering buying a Lexia kit, but could not find one that definitely covered the bipper/ nemo. The Lexia kits I saw covered most peugeot / citroen models but not that one.

Pity you are in Scunthorpe ( I'm in Hertfordshire ), otherwise I would have been interested in borrowing your Lexia kit and trying it out myself.

Cheers Captain Nemo

[Contax]

Hi Captain Nemo, I received lots of conflicting information but is seems cars & vans 2008 on are CAN-BUS protacol but also have EOBD/OBD2 for basic codes to do with Check Engine emission problems, the Lexia 3 + PP2000 is stated not to work on newer cars, vans or van based MPV like ours. There is an adapter cable S.1279 which is for use with newer cars and vans, I think it converts Lexia 3 + PP2000 to CAN-BUS protacol. It plugs into car EOBD socket then Lexia 3 plugs into other end of S.1279.
I also bought a newer version of Lexia-3 & PP2000 software from an eBay seller then found about the new DiagBox software so I purchased v5.31 to find users on forums claimed it could not do many things and was even giving Peugeot/Citroen problems so it seems all went back to original software, in total I spent about £130.
It says does not work with Windows 7 only Windows XP and Windows 2000 Pro although some people were working on it.
I bought from seller in China but took about 5 weeks to arrive and very poor customer service, I also received and invoice from DHL for VAT.
There does not seem to be any manuals around for the system just some pictures of install screens to print out.
Once installed and working it is the only system that fully deals with Peugeot/Citroen vehicles, some say same as Main Dealer uses but it is actually a Chinese copy that I understand does most of things real unit does. I feel it is well worth having if you intend keeping the car for some time, like the dealer one it does not pinpoint the actual component failed allways but leads to the area at fault I believe a bit like a flow chart.
I am tempted to go for a hand held one also just to do the Check Engine faults as it can be carried in car ready for easy use, looking at Vgate scan VS600 about £47 on ebay.