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    Default Speeding advice please

    Is this following scenario worth contesting in court.
    I was clocked by a mobile speed camera on a dual carriage way doing 79
    The police said If I was In a car I would be eligible to do a awareness course but because As I was driving a commercial vehicle it was restricted to 60 on this road.
    The vehicle is a small fiat scudo van I was converting into a vw style day van. I had already fitted the seats in the rear and had it insured as a private car.
    I was unaware that it was restricted to 60 on certain roads & that I had to inform DVLA that I intended to change its classification.
    I had not had chance to put windows in it, but nobody was travelling in the back as I was camping with my 2 kids at the time. I use the van to carry there bikes etc.
    One letter said I was doing 79 mph another letter said I was doing 80 why is this?
    When I insured the van with a specialist insurer & told them what I planning they insured it as a private car even they didn't know about changing its classification.
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    Hi - welcome to the forum.

    Unfortunately, it's definitely a CV so the 60 limit applies. The seats in the back make no difference, nor does the insurance.

    Even when you've put the windows in I'm pretty sure it will still be regarded as a van for speed limit purposes, as it's over 2 tonnes MAM, but you might want to check that. I'd suggest you contact your local DVSA (used to be VOSA) test centre.

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    The crucial thing here is your Maximum Laden Weight. This should be in your vehicle's documentation, but if it is the smaller version, I think it would be less than 2 tonnes.

    The speed limits are here: https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

    For Cars and vehicles (including dual-purpose vehicles and car-derived vans up to 2 tonnes maximum laden weight) the limit on a DC is 70mph.

    Of course you were still speeding, and the offer of a speed awareness course is discretionary, but it is worth a go.
    Last edited by Santa; 07-05-14 at 10:12.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ajb10 View Post
    Is this following scenario worth contesting in court.
    I was clocked by a mobile speed camera on a dual carriage way doing 79
    The police said If I was In a car I would be eligible to do a awareness course but because As I was driving a commercial vehicle it was restricted to 60 on this road.
    The vehicle is a small fiat scudo van I was converting into a vw style day van. I had already fitted the seats in the rear and had it insured as a private car.
    I was unaware that it was restricted to 60 on certain roads & that I had to inform DVLA that I intended to change its classification.
    I had not had chance to put windows in it, but nobody was travelling in the back as I was camping with my 2 kids at the time. I use the van to carry there bikes etc.
    One letter said I was doing 79 mph another letter said I was doing 80 why is this?
    When I insured the van with a specialist insurer & told them what I planning they insured it as a private car even they didn't know about changing its classification.
    Regards
    No.

    Was you speeding?
    Yes.


    You were doing 79mph in a 70mph limit for cars,so even then you were breaking the law.

    Just explain to me when you go to court on what basis you will plead not guilty to speeding because I am confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Santa View Post
    The crucial thing here is your Maximum Laden Weight. This should be in your vehicle's documentation, but if it is the smaller version, I think it would be less than 2 tonnes.

    For Cars and vehicles (including dual-purpose vehicles and car-derived vans up to 2 tonnes maximum laden weight) the limit on a DC is 70mph.
    It gest much more complicated than just the weights.

    Is it a car derived van, not a van derived car.
    Is it under a certain weight.
    Does the floor pan match a car built design.

    With some vans its really simple but with others its a nightmare.

    Take for example the old mk6 escort van.

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    To be subject to the higher limit, it has to be either a car (which it isn't), or a car-derived van (again it isn't) which is under 2 tonnes MAM (it isn't - the smallest version comes in at 2.774).

    A guilty plea seems the best option.

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    That's correct - I am not familiar with this van but it does seem to be a goods vehicle rather than a 'car derived van'.

    From the website: {My addition in brackets}

    Vans and ‘car-derived’ vans

    Most vans are under 7.5 tonnes laden (loaded) weight and must follow the speed limits for goods vehicles of the same weight. {ie. 60mph on a DC}

    ‘Car-derived’ vans weigh no more than 2 tonnes when loaded and are based on car designs, for example:

    Ford Fiesta van
    Vauxhall Astra van
    Fiat Punto van
    Peugeot 207 van
    Renault Clio van

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loony View Post
    No.

    Was you speeding?
    Yes.


    You were doing 79mph in a 70mph limit for cars,so even then you were breaking the law.

    Just explain to me when you go to court on what basis you will plead not guilty to speeding because I am confused.
    The OP is asking because he would like to go on a speed awareness course instead of being fined for going at more than 30% over the limit. From the above, he will probably get a fixed penalty. I suggest he pays up and takes the points.

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    I have a couple of points not already raised.....

    The OP stated he was not aware that the speed limit was 60mph for his vehicle on the road in question (ooops!). Is it safe to assume the OP is also unaware the the speed limit for his vehicle is only 50mph on a single carrigway displaying the national speed limit sign?

    Regarding the intended change of use. I'm not 100% sure on this but I think changing the use of a vehicle may also require an IVA test in order to get the V5c changed. Failure to do this correctly could invalidate insurance and render the vehicle illegal. Worth checking properly!

    As for the original question, face facts, take it on the chin and above all, learn from your mistake!

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    The obvious answer, if one wishes to stay out of trouble, is to be fully aware of the permitted speed limits of the vehicle they are driving, and not to exceed them.

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