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Thread: Has anyone experienced car cloning?

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    Default Cloning

    Car cloning is a far bigger problem than many people are aware, this has been made a more serious problem due to over 100,000 V5 registration documents being stolen from DVLA. I think a lot of people are not aware of the risks of buying a cloned car, the reality is that if you do, you could end up with no car and loosing your money! To avoid the risk there are a few simple steps to follow which will help when buying your new car;
    1) Meet the person at the address the vehicle is registered to.
    2) Take your reg doc and compare the two, any doubts ring DVLA
    3) check the chassis number(normally in front screen and in engine bay, make sure they match registration Document.
    4) Make sure the chassis numbers do not look like they have been tampered with-any doubts walk away
    5) Any payment that you make should be into an account owned by the seller of the vehicle and the person registered on the registration document.
    6) If the car is too cheap, there is normally a good reason.

    You can still buy a cloned car from a forecourt, as anyone is at risk of making the mistake, however if you do by through a reputable dealer you have a lot more protection under law, and the car would in theory go back to the dealer and you would get a refund.

    Hope this helps.

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    I recieved a parking ticket for 130 because my car was parked in a disabled parking space, in Westminster London,
    I tried telling Westminster council i live 180 miles away and this was not me, after a long heated discusion it was suggested my car had been cloned and i was advised i could view the offending car in their website, Th car was similar to mine but a different model "but did have my plates. I had to object against the fine and send photos of my car.

    DVLA were not interested and said the only way i could infirm them would be in writing, I am still awaiting a reply form them,

    My local police station did get back to me saying they could not do anything as its not in their area, but would pass it on.

    I am still waiting an answer form Westminster Council with a discision about the fine, and a reply from DVLA

    I would love to know why and how these people choose and find reg nubers to use, and why us unfortunate, legal drivers have to do all the leg work in proving out innocence.

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    The authorities including the insurance companies really need to have a big campaign to track these illegal vehicles down because more than likely they will not have insurance. The Home office needs to set up a national specialist unit to catch these vehicles.

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    I believe that the most common reason for cloning is to avoid the Conjestion Charges. If you ever have a number plate stolen then report it immediately.

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    Quote......"The Home office needs to set up a national specialist unit to catch these vehicles."

    Aye! a good idea in theory, but you can imagine the cost of all this, they would set up committees to report to other committees, and employ thousands of pen pushers, the whole thing would spiral out of control, passing the costs onto the already over taxed motorists

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    Quote Originally Posted by smudger View Post
    Quote......"The Home office needs to set up a national specialist unit to catch these vehicles."

    Aye! a good idea in theory, but you can imagine the cost of all this, they would set up committees to report to other committees, and employ thousands of pen pushers, the whole thing would spiral out of control, passing the costs onto the already over taxed motorists
    I dont think so. If they get a lot of un insured cars off the road it should actually SAVE the rest of us loadsa money on insurance costs. All they need to do is divert staff from the speed cameras and task them with catching uninsured and false number plates. The computer could do most of it.

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    I am hard pressed to work out how computers can do most of it. Most cloners are very good at it, it is not as simple as looking at number plates, and chassis/engine numbers have to be checked for tampering. Some police authorities had teams that specialised in cloning/vehicle theft, I am not sure how many there will be left after the cuts. However, I suppose G4S could do it....

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    Quote......"G4S could do it.."

    Naw! they are too busy recruiting the staff they should have recruited months ago,, and had them trained ready for the games.

    After all, they have to justify the Millions they got from the government (our tax money) all that time ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wagolynn View Post
    I am hard pressed to work out how computers can do most of it. Most cloners are very good at it, it is not as simple as looking at number plates, and chassis/engine numbers have to be checked for tampering. Some police authorities had teams that specialised in cloning/vehicle theft, I am not sure how many there will be left after the cuts. However, I suppose G4S could do it....
    ANPR could probably be upgraded to not only scan the plate but to identify the make/model/colour as well. The current cloners don't have to find an exact match so that would at least make it harder. Maybe manufacturers should put some kind of uniqe identifiers on each car using RFID ( http://www.explainthatstuff.com/rfid.html ).

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    ANPR does show the operator the vehicle details linked to that registration number.

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